S1 E14 Shit2TalkAbout Trichotillomania with Tammi Vaughn
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Jenn Junod
Hey, Tammy, thank you for joining. Shit. You don't want to talk about, please introduce yourself and what is some shit you normally wouldn't want to talk about that you do want to talk about today?
Tammi Vaughn
Hi Jen. Thanks for having me. First of all, my name is Tammy Vaughan. I'm based in Georgia. I am the founder and CEO of it takes a village LLC where my goal is to be your holistic health and wellness journey partner. So along in my holistic health and wellness journey, the shit that I want to talk about is my 40 plus.
Yes, I am 51. Yeah, I'm 51 but my 40 my 40 plus year battle with Trillo mania, a compulsive hair pulling disease or condition. I will say disease condition. So that's the shit I want to talk about. I wanna talk about trike as it's often called, or referred to in the trike or health care community.
Jenn Junod
I know that when we had our intro call, I couldn't pronounce it. I keep trying to pronounce it. And so I, I appreciate that it does have, you know, a shorter term and I guess that's just something, at least for myself that's so unimaginable because I haven't known anyone that has dealt with it. So you said it's the impulse to pull your hair.
Tammi Vaughn
It's just an uncontrollable impulse to uncontrollable, pluck some people do the hair. Now my hair is, it's shaved because that's my preference. I like this clean look. a big contrast from the waist length dreadlocks that I once had. But hey, I like it. I'm rolling with it. It was some, you know, pluck their hair, some, there are some that even pluck skin actually, I can't delve too much into that because I haven't experienced and I don't know anyone who has, but most of them is hair,
eyebrows, eyelashes. Yeah, and my things were, you know, my lashes and my brows is that I shared previously my first encounter, so to speak, was coming home finding my mom, you know, in a pool of blood on the floor. she actually had had a miscarriage at the time. I didn't know what it was. I just know that the ambulance took her away. I'm in like second grade, right.
A long time ago. But that was the first instance. cause I, the next morning my grandmother, she looked at my face, she was like, what's, what's going on with you? What's, what's wrong with your face? And I'm like, what do you mean? And I looked in the mirror, my lashes were gone, my eyebrows were gone and the hair around my edges was gone. Yeah.
Yeah, traumatic. Very, very traumatic. I couldn't explain, you know what happened. I just know I woke up and boom. That was it, right. I remember looking in the bed like what happened to it and it wasn't there. I didn't see where it was just hair everywhere. So, that like I said, that was the first episode but over the years, I continuously, you know, pluck my lashes or, or, and eyebrows years, decades, right?
in elementary school, you know, it was noticeable. Most people didn't say anything but there were a few, you know, kids can be cruel, you know, call me bald face, something's wrong with me, but I just would, you know, just, just laugh it off, just run it off. You know, being a little happy go lucky kid that just like to play, you know, play in the woods, play sports.
Jenn Junod
You are so chill.
Tammi Vaughn
Thank you. Thank you. But Yeah, that's how, you know, childhood was. The teen years got a bit rough, you know, I got into sports so, basketball, track and even band again. No one made a big deal of it because at this age, at that age I could actually draw on, you know, my, eyebrows and, you know, I, I wore shades a lot. It's like I was either in class on the court, on the track or I had shades on.
I just hiding it. Not only hiding that but hiding, you know what I was doing and, and then the shame and guilt, you know, from that, that, it, it tortured me for years, you know, because it's something that I wanted to stop. But for the life of me I could not stop. they tried all kinds of things sitting on my hands, sleeping on my hands, sleeping with my hands, folded on my chest, wearing a mask, putting a, a bandana around my eyes.
You name it? I, I tried so many different things. Didn't talk to a therapist because there's that stigma, South Georgia where I was, you know, and, and first of all, I wouldn't admit that there was something wrong or that I was doing anything, the guilt.
Jenn Junod
I was just about to ask like, how, yeah, how do you, how did you figure out what it was or that it was something or was it always like, just you did it feel like it was just, you really did.
Tammi Vaughn
It felt as though I was just all alone in the world just doing this thing that I couldn't stop, even though I wanted to stop. there were a few people that, you know, I shared it with, you know, mostly the ones that I was romantically involved with, you know, like maybe you can help me stop doing this but it, it's not something that anyone could help me with.
I had to, you know, help myself there. but yeah, like I said, 40 plus years of, of doing that and hiding it and no one really sat down and said, hey, what's going on with your face? What's going on with your, with your eyes?
Tammi Vaughn, Jenn Junod
You know, and did your grandma ever say anything again?
Tammi Vaughn
No, she didn't. None of, none of them really did. actually in, in my teens, some of my relatives would, you know, I'd hear them talk, you know, like Tammy, Tammy pulla eyebrows, eyelashes. It wasn't a why, what's causing it. It was just ok. This is what she's doing. Why is she doing that?
Jenn Junod
Yeah. What, what, like, what, how did that really affect your relationships? Especially when you were asking them for help.
Tammi Vaughn
It, it made me realize that it's not something that someone could help me with, you know, if, if someone saw me do it and I was so discreet, I could be so slick I could be right next to you and you not know what I'm doing while my back is turned or even facing you with my head tucked under your shoulder. You know, you, I, I was so discreet about it but at the same time asking for help.
Right. yeah, it didn't have a negative impact on my relationships. It just helped me see that it's something I have to do myself. I have to figure this out myself. I know that there's therapy, there's even medication for some people. But, you know, I, I didn't take that route. I came, my healing came about as I, you know, I was doing self work.
And even in the midst of developing a program that I use camping for clarity because that's kind of what my condition is, kind of what spurred that program during my camping experiences, you know, tapping into nature, grounding, meditation, moon bathing, sunbathing, just Hammock. You know, I like what's going on. Why are you doing this?
Why are you here? You wanna stop? Why won't you stop what's going on? And I kept going back to that little girl that was crying that saw her mother in that blood. I'm like, OK, I have to go to where the trauma started to heal that little girl and then I can work on Tammy now and, and that's what I did. You know, I talked to my little self, my my inner self, my second grade self just, I'm my protector, you know. I'm responsible for my health, my wellness and Tammy's not gonna do anything that
Tammy doesn't want to do that. That, that's it. Just healing that little girl, showing that little girl that she's safe, she's protected, you know. And even though my mother has his and my mother both have actually transitioned to the other side of time. I, I'm good, I'm good and that little girl is good. She's so safe and, and content now she's just playing, she's just playing, enjoying life and being a little girl.
Jenn Junod
I love that. That is something that my therapist and I have been diligently working on for myself of, I had solitary confinement from the age of two to the age of eight. The majority of that time I was locked away in my room and going, I remember the first time somebody talked about there was a dating coach but also just like human development coach named Matthew Hussey.
He had a retreat and he talked us through like visualizations of like going back and to that child and, and, you know, actually being there for them. And for me, it was like just being in the room with me and realizing it's not my fault that I was locked away and that it's still a struggle yet it's still so healing. So that is, that is definitely something that I think is, is very powerful.
And I know for myself, it's been through like self development courses or therapy that I found my path there. And you said that you found it when working on developing your program and for yourself. And how was it like journaling or talking to yourself or how did you really start forming that relationship with the child?
Tammi Vaughn
Had all of the above, you know, writing letters, journaling, having conversations with myself and just, you know, just sometimes when I'm just in the Hammock, I'll just close my eyes and just visualize a, a time in my life. Like what made you, what prompted you to, to do the plucking action? What, what was it? Sometimes? Anxiety, sometimes anger, sometimes depression, boredom. A lot of boredom. It's just determining when, what, what are those triggers?
What were those triggers or what were those perfect storm scenarios where I just had the perfect opportunity to just go in and just take them all, just take one. OK. Take two, then two became 20 then nothing but I live, you know, those kind of scenarios. OK. What were you feeling then? OK. And what action would you take now would you make now? And that's just knowing the when and, and, and the why and that's what helped me stop the behavior.
Jenn Junod
I think that's why a lot of, I feel like that's what a lot of people get out of when they go to therapy is because it's somebody help guiding them to those questions that you ask yourself. I am very curious about your, the work you do and your business as well because I think a lot of people don't talk about how healing outside can be. And, during our intro call y'all, we talked about it.
I told Tammy that she has to do like the camping stuff come up here to Colorado because I'm like, sign me up, I'd be there. But like how did you something led you to the path of working on doing that and then you started working on yourself. So how did you get on to the path of working on creating your business?
Tammi Vaughn
Believe it or not divine intervention. You know, I'm one of those light sleepers and it is not unusual for me to wake up with some type of idea, some type of thought, some concept that I need to just massage further. But in, in, in my sleep, you know, through my studies, you know, I'm a, I'm a corporate leader. I've been in corporate America for 20 some odd years.
So well, for 15, some odd years as man, corporate corporate America management, let me clarify that. and just a lot of self development, my, my school training, my minister training because I am a licensed minister. So all of that just, just came together and it's like a perfect storm. My undergrad degree was in technical communications.
So, writing, science, writing, photography, I mean, just every nugget that I have acquired over the years, it just became a pot of greatness and it was just a matter of me just putting it together in a logical manner, testing and then running with it. So I was my first test subject actually, like being in nature. What, what do you get from that?
You know, what, what do you observe in nature that you can apply to your life? I love the trees. I love the trees, especially the scarred trees. The, what some would consider the ugly trees because just looking at that tree, you know how the diameter of that tree, you know, it lets you know how long it's been around. It gives you some idea. Right.
Decades. It takes a while for a tree to grow and just imagine what this tree goes through. There's a particular tree at the lake where I like to frequent camping that is at almost a 45 to 65 degree angle over the water roots exposed. Yet it's just hanging on looking at that tree. It's like with a solid foundation, I can handle anything, my foundations, my, my faith, my trust and myself and my support system, I've got this, whatever this is.
And that's what I, I want people to, to understand as they connect with nature. And then there's the eight pillars of support workshop that I've developed and going through that with, you know, each person where they assess those eight pillars in their life and determine what are those things that they need to do? More of, less of or stop doing to improve their quality of life? That exercise is it's the most rewarding because you see people's, you know, you see the epiphanies
start to form, you see the lights come on like yeah, you know, I'm like, no, don't tell me, speak talk, I'm here to journey with you. Tell me what you're thinking, what you're feeling right now. Ok. So what's next? What's next for you? OK. Like when, when? All right, so that's what we do. We, we, you know, determine those things that need to change. and then set goals and then I follow up with them monthly to see how they're doing. So that's the Camping For Clarity weekend retreat.
Jenn Junod
Yeah, that's very cool. I'm, I'm I'm curious in the fact of you mentioned that this never affected your relationships.
Tammi Vaughn, Jenn Junod
Like with a, you said call it trek strike, think think tricycle minus a circle.
Tammi Vaughn
OK. Trike.
Tammi Vaughn, Jenn Junod
Well, not tr I guess fickle but yeah, we called tricycles trikes.
Jenn Junod
So I got it like you said that that didn't affect your relationship in a negative way. I'm curious because you mentioned in the camp for clarity that it's about building those pillars of support and how how did you end up finding that in the fact of it almost sounds like that could have been lacking or could have been there but didn't feel like it was there.
Tammi Vaughn, Jenn Junod
Is that, how did that help that as in the support system?
Tammi Vaughn
Yeah. It is, I'll say it's 75%. Me, most people view me as the strong one, the one that any and everyone can come to Tammy's got it all together. So for years, I wore that facade. I had my s capital bold highlighted s on my chest and then just being transparent and vulnerable saying, hey folks or hey Cammy, what, what do you really have going on? Superwoman? What do you really have going on? But why are you doing this? Well, le let's look at it, let's look at it. What, what's going on?
Like I said, it, it would get back to those traumas, those, those triggers, those things that, you know, were like the gateway to me just going to my face. Why when you get bored, do you do that? But you want to stop that? OK. Well, why when you're angry or anxious or depressed, do you, you know, take that course of action? What other course of action can you take? So meditation's been, it was phenomenal. You know, meditating is a great way to get through.
Jenn Junod
How do you start meditating? I know that might be a weird question. It's been on the docket. I, I, I'm not sure when this episode will go live listeners but this last weekend I actually went to the, and found out that I have Crohn's Hyperventilation syndrome. And what that means is when I, I hyperventilate without meaning to it causes, and this is not the medical terminology, this is my understanding of it.
It changes the acidity in your body and it'll take a few days for that acidity to get out. But during that time, it can cause like tingly fingers and it caused my face to be tingly. It caused my body to be very weak. And it also caused me to have a hard time breathing but not like asthmatic. It was just very difficult. And I ask about the meditation because it's something I've always been interested in, but almost scared of myself or scared, I'm going to fall asleep.
I think a lot of it has to do more with the sleep side of it. And that's something that I've heard from so many people that they get so much benefit out of meditation. And I loved how you shared that meditation is helped you through finding your own journey, which is like the opposite of mine.
I had to go outward to try to figure out inward and you were able to go inward, to figure out inward. And I'm curious like, how would you suggest to people to get started on meditation? And the benefits that you've gotten out of it.
Tammi Vaughn
So, meditation, it, there's some misconceptions about meditation, right? It, some people feel it's in a full lotus, you know, fingers touching chanting. There, there are different ways to meditate. You have different ways to meditate for me. Meditation. is just sitting in a comfortable position with my eyes gently closed, just breathing, concentrating on my breathing, exhale, fully inhale, deeply, hold it, hold it some more, push it up and again, that's it.
And again, five minutes, 10 minutes. the most I've gone is probably 35 40 minutes. But, but yeah, just meditation. That's the key to my cool. Just being able to meditate.
Jenn Junod
Yeah. And everybody on our listeners now, Tammy and I had our first intro call and I was like, she is just so chill and like, Tammy, your vibe is just so like welcoming at the same time. It's like cool. Like you're like, I'm like, you're just someone easy to talk to. And that being said, I, I am curious of and for our listeners to hear too, you mentioned that you haven't really shared your story during the intro call we talked about, you've never shared your story before and
she has done another recording. So this is her second time sharing her story. What got you to this point where you're like, I want other people to know what I've been through.
Tammi Vaughn
Taking this off my chest showing my vulnerability because in, in sharing, you know, your weaknesses, you know, most people, I'm gonna say most, a lot of people will see that things are not as bad for them as they thought, you know. And then just raising awareness to it cause this is some shit that people don't talk about. Have, have you ever heard anyone talk about trike?
Yeah, just, I'm just hoping that these types of conversations will create a safer space in place for those that suffer with, with trike. So that they could get the support that they need, that they don't feel that they have to hide. And to just, you know, be true to yourself. That's number one for me. That was number one being true to myself, being truthful with myself and just facing it head on the, the white healing that little girl.
That's where it started healing that little girl and then the rest just like clockwork, you know, not a day goes by that I don't comfort that little girl in some capacity or another.
Jenn Junod
How do you do that?
Tammi Vaughn, Jenn Junod
Like what does that look like for you to comfort that little girl when a behavior or, or even a memory comes up that that could shake my mood one way or another.
Tammi Vaughn
It's just knowing I'm in a safe space, a safe place and that I have nothing to fear and things that happened to me were not my fault.
Jenn Junod
I am. you might have heard a little smirk of, yesterday I went to a friend's house to get my birth chart, which is not something I've ever done before. It was kind of fun. and she wanted to start off with two minutes of silence and it was very interesting in the fact that I was breathing in. I am safe and breathing out.
I am free because that is two things I have dealt with in myself is the hardship of. I don't always feel safe and I don't always feel free like things are my choice. So I really like how you talk about that and think, remind yourself of that and tell yourself that meditation is going to be a new journey for me.
Tammi Vaughn
I'm breathing,
Jenn Junod
I'm looking forward to it. What are some things that you may suggest to people for for support?
Tammi Vaughn, Jenn Junod
Like not only those with trike but those that know someone with trike, those with trike again, being honest with yourself.
Tammi Vaughn
And you know, it might take you journaling when you feel the urge to, to pull your hair to pluck your hair. and not only journal, but you know, reflect on that. What, what were you feeling at the time? Where were you, how were you is there a memory that triggered you to, you know, take that action, just real, real self assessment, assessing
yourself. That's hard. That's hard. That's the work. But the beauty on the other end is this, is this this liberation, this freedom like OK, I got this, I got this, I got this.
Jenn Junod
What is something you feel the difference? Like if you were to describe somebody what it felt like before you felt liberated and this freedom, what how would you compare that for someone?
Tammi Vaughn
Someone hiding, hiding what they're doing? you know, hiding their face, not looking, you eye to eye, not engaging with direct eye contact. Even a perceived shyness. That, that's what I would see from someone and that's how I was, like I said, I was wearing shades all of the time hiding this thing, hiding this ugly that, that I was producing for myself because I just felt like it was so ugly.
It's just so ugly. Stop it. But iiii I did not have the strength or the know with all to, to stop doing it until I just got grimy with myself and, and did those self assessments. Who what, when, where, why, how OK, there's gotta be another way to handle this. You're anxious. OK. Breathe, breathe. Is this something that you can do something about if it's not in your control then nah, you can't do anything about it. So you're just gonna have to change your perception and is this something
you want to be a part of? OK, if not remove yourself, it's just that easy. It's, it's really just that easy regardless whether family, friend or folk. if it's something that is not, for me, it's not, for me. Self sacrifice is not always, it's not a cool thing because self-preservation is the cool thing we have to do. Do what's best for us, which is not always good. It might not always feel good, but just so first do what you have to do for your sanity, for your peace of mind.
Jenn Junod
And I think that's something and thank you for saying that where not just entrepreneurs but many people, it's, it's that hustle mindset where we have to be, go, go, go and then, you know, the more overworked we are, the more we brag about overworking. And I feel like that's, and you said that you're in corporate management.
And I'm like, yeah, at least when I was in the corporate world, that is something that I'd be like, yeah, I work like 80 hour weeks and and that's something that I, I wish I could go back and enjoy more of life when I was there. But it's definitely something that did. You used to? Have you ever worked over, worked like that?
Tammi Vaughn
No, IE even I'm in it. But my team is what's referred to as an escalations team. We're the group that people reach out to when they need assistance with an IT issue. So people, relationships, that's my bread and butter. I have to be my best self in order to do what I was created to do. Let's help people. So when I need to take time off, I take time off and I encourage my staff to take the time off.
Jenn Junod
How and I love that because I feel like I know that that was not the culture.
Tammi Vaughn
I, so I, so I, so I can, but I mean, think about it. We, we're not, I mean, what we, we don't do the technological work. We're not into technology. It's people's in process. That's where we dwell. And our bread and butter is to make sure people are getting what they need. So that's being empathetic at times. reaching out connecting resources, fostering collaboration, all that good, you know, all that good stuff.
But when I'm not in a good place and I tell my team and I tell my peers when I'm snooty snappy or Un Tammy, that means I need to unplug. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm on Tammy. I need to unplug. So they understand that my, my team, they'll say you all right, you might need to take a day. You got a point. I'm done. I'll see y'all tomorrow. That, that's how it is.
But I mean, I've been there 20 plus years or is it 24? 96? Yeah. 96. So, yeah, that's how long I've been there. Just 96. That is crazy and it's mostly, you know, helping people because I started out as a mailroom clerk, started as a mi it's quite the journey, you know. This wonderful guy gave me an opportunity, you know, on help desk. I was green, had just installed a sound card and a little compact 486 old school computer and a CD ROM drive.
And you couldn't tell me I couldn't do this, it help desk thing after that, I'm conquering it. He was like, no, you're not ready. But he eventually gave me an opportunity to prove yourself within 90 days. You got this job in 60 days. He said you got the job.
Tammi Vaughn, Jenn Junod
So I haven't looked back since that is so cool and it's so cool.
Jenn Junod
How would, now I'm curious just because you brought that up, not even like the original, like conversation about tri but so many of us have had to start on that job at the bottom. You could say like, you know, how, how would you suggest or how did you even get the first opportunity or bring it up for the second opportunity to, to get further, to not be, you know, in the mail room?
Tammi Vaughn
you know, when I went into the company, the guy that hired me in the mail room, he, he knew what the deal was. He knew I wouldn't be there for long, degree. I, I took a huge pay cut because I was actually in another industry at the time I just wanted to get into another organ. I wanted to get into a corporate organization. You know, I was working with this other group.
The money was decent. It was nice. But I just wanted something that's stable. I wanted to get into a corporation. So I figured get me in, I'll look around, see what's going on and see where I fit. Tried a P that didn't work and they were like, no Tammy, I actually interviewed for this help desk job three times and was told no, no, denied, denied, denied. And the last one is pretty much just given to me. We see your drive, we see your initiative. We're gonna give you a shot.
So that's it. It just took a shot just, just I tell my people our mantra be where you're supposed to be doing what you're supposed to be doing to the best of your ability while you're here to do it. That's what I ask. And that's how I show up, you know, at, at work. period. And, and here this is, that's how I show up just doing the best I can while I'm here to do what I'm tasked to do. And it, it's held true and I'm still there.
Tammi Vaughn, Jenn Junod
So they like something I love that.
Jenn Junod
I love that. Oh And, and to just like recap. because II, I feel like there's been a lot, you know, through your childhood and then dealing with this for 40 years. Is there times where like having tri shows up still where you ever are? Have the urge or? Yeah.
Tammi Vaughn
I would say yes, the urge comes the urge presents itself. It's just my awareness that OK, this is the urge. All right, what's going on? How are you feeling? It's just like, it's like a freeze frame. It's like urge. Urge. Think about that. OK. What's going on? All right. Nah, nah, nah, you good, you good, you good.
Tammi Vaughn, Jenn Junod
That is a lot of emotional intelligence to be able to see that 40 plus years and, and that, that hard, the hard part was being truthful with myself.
Tammi Vaughn
Like when, wow, how and then just making that conscious decision? No. Yeah. No, no thing about self awareness,
Jenn Junod
self awareness is can be hard and so worth it. It is hard.
Tammi Vaughn
It is worth the hard, so, so worth it, so worth it. And it's so rewarding to like know yourself, you know, yourself, know yourself. It's rewarding, it's worth it, it's worth it.
Jenn Junod
And that's that is something that we talk about a lot on the podcast. And I, I'm going through like my own medical issues and I love that with the guests that we have on the podcast. Like I've had to reschedule, they've had to reschedule, you know, it's life. It's not like, you know, it's a one and done. Ok, bye. It is like I've had to, you know, let people know what's going on.
Because first off, I am still working through with a therapist and a psychiatrist for now CRS hyperventilation. And, you know, there's so many different things that we don't see on the outside that having that self awareness, at least for myself also makes it so that way, I'm more open with talking to people about it and allows that vulnerability because I've, I've tried to wear that s and I've worked at those gazillion hours and for myself, at least it was very much based in my
self worth because I thought I wouldn't be worth it if I didn't do that. And I've found that if I don't kill myself working, I actually show up better and I do way less and people notice more that I'm doing a better job and I'm like, wait what?
Tammi Vaughn
Yeah. Quality over quantity.
Jenn Junod
Yes. Yes. Very much so.
Tammi Vaughn
Well. Good for you.
Jenn Junod
Well, Tammy, thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that.
Tammi Vaughn, Jenn Junod
Is there anything that you wanted to cover today that we didn't cover a couple of things?
Tammi Vaughn
A couple of things. I, as I share it with you, I offer the camping for Clarity retreats and I also offer camping with Tammy. That's just where you just show up with your clothes and your toothbrush. If you want to bring your toothbrush and we just camp, everything is set up for you. We, we can cook there on the site. You, we may make a market run. But, I mean, everything's there just come to Georgia and, and camp.
I so far, my longest distance camper came in from New Jersey. A family of four, they came and spent the weekend with me, camping and it was their first time camping and they loved it. They loved it. Yeah, they loved it. They loved it. yeah. And I have several repeat clients. They just love the experience. I'm camping the number four Clarity, camping, numeral four, Clarity on Facebook and Instagram.
So you can check out the on my Facebook page, my Instagram page, do some of my camp setups and some of the things that happen there, a lot of fireplace or campfire conversations as we call it great conversation, great conversation, talking or or not. I'm just there as your journey partner, you know, making sure you're safe, comfortable and enjoying your camping experience.
That's my role with that. Camping for clarity. That's work, that's work, but it's so worth it. You leave with clarity in some area or multiple areas of your life. And you know, I go forward plan to accomplish those things that you want to accomplish after digging up stuff on that retreat, figuring out ah I need to cut this. You know, it's like it's like film editing, right?
Jenn Junod
Film editing this.
Tammi Vaughn
OK. All right. We got it. Let's go with that. OK. We're going to change this. That's camping. For clarity. We're just splicing and slicing and combining things. That's for your, the client's good. I'm also releasing my first book. Nature is My Healer on Black Friday. Yeah. Nature is My Healer. It's a book slash workbook. I talk about my experience with nature and how Camping for clarity came to be and some exercises for you to tap into your naturalist self, to get your own healing.
Jenn Junod
I'm gonna have to get your own healing.
Tammi Vaughn
Oh, I got you, Jen. I'll send you one. I'll send you one. I'm excited. Yeah. And even working on book two, book two slated for December. I'm thinking Christmas or New Year's. that one is Moon phase Journal man, Moon Phase Manifestation Journal. That's it, Moon Phase Manifestation Journal.
Jenn Junod
I'm like I told you about my birth chart stuff that I worked on and like so much of it had to do with the moon. And I know guys like our listeners, I'm totally getting a little woo woo or fru fru or whatever you want to call it. But I'm open. But it's interesting learning about this type of stuff. So I'm excited for that one too.
Tammi Vaughn
Mother Moon. And I are great friends. Sometimes camping is just me, the Hammock Mo stars and I'm just saying those mantras, you know, and manifesting things that welcome that will come. They do come. You ask the universe for it, just be ready because it's coming and that's it.
Tammi Vaughn, Jenn Junod
Agreed, agreed.
Jenn Junod
Any words of encouragement that you would leave our audience with?
Tammi Vaughn
Yeah, I know I've talked about a lot. We've covered a lot, but all of it is part of my journey, of my healing journey, my trike journey, my life journey and, and I hope that there's some nugget in there that can help you. If you are someone who's dealing with trike, hang in there, hang in there, you can beat this, you can beat this, just, just do the work, whether it requires, you know, a therapist journey with you do the work.
It is so worth it, so worth it. And if you know someone who's who you may feel is, is suffering from trike or dealing with trike, you know, when you engage, engage with grace, engage with grace, not to be shameful, not to make them feel bad or make them feel like something's wrong with them when they're doing something wrong. It, it's the person, we're all spiritual beings having a human experience, talk to that person's spirit.
OK? Is something going on that you want to share with me? I was introduced to this trike, this Tricho Tole mania. Is this something that you're dealing with? You know, how can I, is there some way that I can help you some way that I can support you? That alone opens a door AAA safe door just with grace. Approach him with grace. That that's my nugget.
Jenn Junod
Agreed and, and I would also say that you can share parts of this episode or the entire episode. So they hear how someone else has gone through it on the other side. And that no matter the time frame that it's been something that they've been working on that there's ways that we can heal through it. So you can definitely share this episode with them. And Tammy last question, what are you grateful for?
Tammi Vaughn
I am grateful for life. And I don't say that in the, in the normal sense, I'm talking about life, living, breathing, functioning and freedom and safety, life. That's what I'm grateful for because there are people that are alive but aren't living in freedom. I don't feel safe and when you're, you're free and, and feel safe, there's a peace of mind that comes with that.
So that's why I'm grateful for life and all of the beauty, all of the beauty, good, bad, ugly that comes with it. I'm grateful for it because it's made me who I am. It's making me who I am. I love it. I love it. Life, life. That's what I'm grateful for.
Jenn Junod
I appreciate that. And I would say that I'm, I'm definitely grateful for our first conversation, their for our listeners, Tammy's and my first intro call, she was, I want to say my first or second or third intro call in this journey and her story made me cry and it just made me go that this is the reason I am doing the podcast to share stories like Tammy and give them, give people a platform to share their story because it's, it's definitely something that, as you were saying at one
point, Tammy, you wish you knew other people were going through this, that we need to get the message out there. We need to share, we need to. So that way we don't feel so alone. And your your intro call with me made me go cool. I'm, I'm on the right path. Might be really rocky, but I'm on the right path and I just thank you for that. You're welcome.
Tammi Vaughn
And again, thank you for giving me this opportunity. I'm even considering hosting a trike retreat. I'm, I'm considering it. So if enough people reach out, then that's something that if enough people reach out, then that means I'm destined to do this.
Jenn Junod
And anyone listening, please comment if you are interested in this as well as you can reach out to Tammy on her Instagram on the website. You know, if you're telling me this, we'll get the message to her because this is definitely something. But even just being on a call with Tammy, it's like you get healing vibes
from Tammy. That's just like what's going on. I think that's the best way to explain it. And I know that she would be, would be amazing at taking, doing a trike routine retreat.
Tammi Vaughn
I can't talk a trike retreat, a trike Survivor retreat because, because you're surviving, you're surviving just one day at a time, one day, at a time, one day at a time, one day at a time. Get to your, why, why you're making, why you're taking this action?
Why? Get to that point to where it started to get to the root and heal from the root up? That's what we're gonna do. So, yeah, I've, and we can be a tree overlooking the water, just roots hanging in the soil, just leaning but stable, not going anywhere.
Tammi Vaughn, Jenn Junod
They just really wanted to check out the fish, eat the leaves, watch the fish eat the leaves.
Tammi Vaughn
Yeah. Circle of life.
Jenn Junod
Exactly. Exactly. Well, thank you, Tammy. And I look forward to seeing your books come out and we will definitely be tagging you on the episode post. So everybody will be able to follow you.
Tammi Vaughn
Definitely camping or clarity. That's how you can reach me on Facebook and Instagram. And I'd love to host the retreat because I love, I, I just know so much healing to take place. And as with camping for clarity, I have a list of therapists, certified clinical therapists because there's sometimes people tap into those things that require some professional help along that journey.
So it takes a village, that's the name of my company. It takes a village or let me put it up for you. It takes a, it takes a village. It does and I have members of my village that can assist in those areas where I can't. Thank you, Tammy.
Jenn Junod
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